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tomme boy wrote:Not a 3cyl 25 Yamaha, Suzuki, or Tohatsu. Those Merc are good motors but not that good. That motor would have had to be putting out over 35hp to reach that speed. It is just not going to happen. Unless you had it on a 14' boat that was made out of 0.072" or lighter alum and you weighed less than 100lbs.
I'm not going to argue with you,4 gps devices can't be wrong. I got 33-34mph with a 14 pitch prop with just me in the boat. It is 100% possible because it happened just like I hit 28.2 mph with my 20hp suzuki. Sometimes things are unexplainable and I had a Witness with me,my buddy. I guess he must of fixed the gps to show a higher speed than I was going,come on,what do I gain from lying,nothing. It is what it is,if you don't believe it than that is your opinion but numbers and I don't lie. My 2 cylinder merc smoked any 2 cylinder on the water,a 3 cylinder is a different animal and I never mentioned 3 cylinder engines. I said mercs and yamaha,common sense would tell you I was talking about the 2 cylinder engine,not 3. All I do is buy and sell any and every brand of engine up to 25hp and I test all of them and the average speed for 25hp 2 stroke mercs in the 2 cylinder form on an aluminum boat is usually upper,upper 20s to the low and mid 30s. Tons of aluminum boats on YouTube doing well over 30mph with a 25hp 2 cylinder engine. Again I was pushing a 14 pitch prop not a small 11 pitch prop so it was a huge difference in pitch. With a full load ,a hair over 1000 lbs of toal weight in the boat we(2 of us)did near 32mph. Don't you think these numbers suprised me as well,that is why I verified with 3 other gps devices. The chances of 4 gps devices being wrong is around 0%. When I go out this week coming I will try to video my gps if I can while driving the boat . Like I said the 28.2mph was only for a minute or so,my average speed was 26-27mph with me and 100lbs in the front for porpoising purposes.

I have run jon boats my whole life so far,say 30 yrs or so and the wider the boat usually planes much easier and can get amazing speeds. The boat is only 310lbs. I know what all 4 gps devices said and it's accurate whether anyone believes it or not is irrelevant to me and I can care less. Numbers don't lie,plain and simple.

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The new date, for the Yamaha 25 with the tiller and tiller controls is August 3rd. We shall see.

For now I'm floating with the trolling motor.
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Lol. Hey that trolling motor maybe all you need. Have you looked at anything else and I'm not talking the suzuki, how about a 25-30hp etec. They are freaken sweet outboards to. If I had the extra money to blow that is what would be on the back of my boat 100% because it's simple and now comes with a 10yrs warranty, can't beat that. I just look at the cost difference between all the 25hp 4 strokes and again suzuki wins hands down. I was looking into the Yamaha until I called the place here in fl,he tells me well after tax,ok no problem,then a $80 pdi,I said are you joking me,then they wanted like $15 to put oil in,I said I can do my own oil thank you very much, so after this and that and this,blah,blah,blah,it went from $3110 to over $3600,it said forget it,it can get a brand new 25AS Delivered to my door for $3000 and no cost pdi,no tax and no shipping. I told him they are rediculous for charging that to people, I told the guy they rigorously check them before being crated and I told him what are you going to do,pull it from the box,put oil in it and crank it over to make sure it starts,he said yep,I said that will be $80 please for cranking it over,I told him your insane,keep your yamaha. Hell, $3600,for $200 more I may as well buy a etec. These places are scammers trying to squeeze out every penny they can get. I told them to keep his outboards,lol, I will stick to suzuki for price and quality.

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Just for me,I can't and won't find a better deal at near $3k and a full 6yr warranty for a 25hp efi engine. I'm no frills to,no need for electric start or power t+t and all the trolling stuff ,it's a waste for me in general, as long as my engine starts and I can maually tilt or trim it out physically with no issues that is where I stay until I start getting older and would like a new electric start and power t +t. I'm good to go now. People don't realize just how easy these new efi outboards start now by pull rope. No more bleeding hands,etc.... One good pull or 2 at the most and she will turn over no problem.

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When I look for info on certain things on forums, it's a real pisser when they go way off topic...
Start a new thread, hope the guy that started this one is getting on the water.
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Zum wrote:When I look for info on certain things on forums, it's a real pisser when they go way off topic...
Start a new thread, hope the guy that started this one is getting on the water.
Reminds me when I built a Jeep 20 years ago and posted on a jeep forum. Plenty of people telling me why I was dumb to spend the money on certain stuff. Build a jeep today and you will find the same proper spring rates and valving on today's builds that I was an idiot for using then. I ran low stiff suspension and valving that matched then trimmed fenders to clear tires. 8" Skyjacker was the norm and all I was doing was hacking up a jeep. Sand rail forum is same same. I run spring rates that I came up with for a 1600 lbs car and that is stiffer than most use on 2600 lbs cars. Guess who gets spanked? Rokon motorcycles and my fast engines that I sold were ridiculed. Today those same dorks sell my carb and hop up Harbor freight junk to slap in them. My bet is the daisy with the Yamaha bought the right engine but let's continue to basically tell him he spent way too much for a slow POS because this is the Internet and that's what your supposed to do. :D
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Somebody mentioned ETEC. Screw ETEC and their 2 stroke.

Was at the river this morning, bright and early. Catching fish before anyone even bothered getting out of bed. Anyway, by 8am they were coming out of the woodwork, so to speak. I'd already limited out many times over but anyway, a bunch of guides were coming out. Most are Shawnees with 40/30 Yamaha jet and a few 50/35 Honda's. Very few mercury's. ONE was an ETEC jet. I was fishing near the ramp and the ETEC launched, he fired the engine and I could hear it plain as day. His customers hopped in and off they went downriver, probably to the famous shoal that I know of, only accessible by jet and/or canoe (or drag a prop driven boat over it, though it's really too swift for wading). Anyway, most of us are in the low to mid 20's for speeds on that river; anything bigger/faster really isn't designed for the shallows. So this guy with the ETEC takes off, full throttle, and I heard it for over 10 minutes straight, so what? 5 miles or so? Man that thing was noisy.

Anyway I continued to drift with the current down river to the first shoal, about 2 1/2 miles down from the ramp. Wore 'em out too. Got to the 2nd shoal and I heard what I thought was a motor running out of the water. It was a little foggy so I couldn't see real far, 1000 feet maybe? The motor sounded horrible, running very rough, I figured it might have been someone running one on muffs up at the boat repair shop. Nope. Shawnee with an ETEC appears through the fog. They get up to me and asked if I knew anything about motors. ETEC? No, what's going on? He says it has real low power, runs extremely rough, using a ton of fuel. I don't know. I'm not an ETEC guru, told the man, if it were a Yamaha I could tell ya, but I know nothing of them. I asked if they needed a tow, and sure enough, the thing didn't have enough power to pull it across the first shoal which is a narrower part of the river, and shallow, so I had to hook a rope and pull as best I could. Drug bottom a little, but they made it back to the ramp. I made sure to stay close just in case they needed another tow or whatever. Get to the ramp and they loaded up, said it used a little over 1/2 of the 6 gal tank of fuel, and then said he was headed for the dealer. Customers not happy. I recognized one of them as the brother of an old girlfriend, and I offered to take him along since I had an empty seat. He politely declined, and I was done for the day; and loaded up & went home.

I sure want to know what's going on with that ETEC. Maybe an injector or high pressure pump issue? Don't know. I reckon it could also be a sensor, or a dead cylinder or something. 2 things I know. Don't put a jet foot on it (noisier than any motor I've ever heard) and I question the reliability. Sure can't work on it at the water, well, unless you know your ETEC's. I don't and I admit it.

I did get the opportunity to run one at a demo, and honestly wasn't that impressed with it, for what it costs and it's weight, I can't see any advantage. Speaking specifically of the 25hp version, and this was in late Spring, 2016 when I was involved with it, maybe they've gotten a little better since then. I dunno. Also ran a suzuki prototype, both 20 and 25hp, and neither was all that great, about average, some things I liked others I didn't but overall, it wasn't any better than anything else I ran that day-including that old outdated Yamaha 20hp; and the big heavy 25hp. There was a prototype Yamaha there too, which was nothing like what is in production; it was a bad dude, but as I said, completely different than what is currently being offered. I actually think it was a lightened version of a 40 with derated horsepower based on how it sounded and ran. Then Merc had their offerings (Tohatsu's), and then the TLDI, which I kinda liked. But for what I do, which is a combination of things....hunt, fish, fish on lakes, and then in creeks, the old heavy and slow 4 stroke Yamaha will work just fine.

Lot of guys like them. I was on the fence, but after this deal, I'm off that fence now.

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Hey folks, first time poster here. I searched up this post after getting off the water yesterday fairly frustrated and had to sign up. I just got my '17 F25LWTC. The motor itself was delivered in early March. Much like daisycutter, the tiller handle install kit wasn't available and I finally was able to get it together and on my boat this past Thursday. I'm very unimpressed so far. I've got 7 hours on it. I'm seriously hoping it's a fuel issue. [-o<

I've got the motor bolted on an Alumacraft Escape 145. I'm seeing mid 23 mph barely going downriver and no umph whatsoever. It does physically sound better than the heavier '14 Yamaha 25 the dealer loaned me in May due to the protracted wait, but it isn't matching the performance I was seeing with the older motor. I didn't consider the '14 as being a performer and really was anticipating a better ride.

I need to do some errands and get a different tank with some new gas and will hit the water again this afternoon. The '14 motor was able to get me, my wife, two smalls and the dog up and running about 24mph. I was getting mid 27's alone, overly loaded with tackle and gear. The motor does look great. Also, the VTS on my motor only seems to have 5 rpm settings and not the 7 currently advertised?! I drove a new '17 Yamaha 75hp two weeks ago, that defiantly had more VTS adjustability.
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The Alumacraft Escape 145 might be a little underpowered with a 25hp with a base hull weight of 604lbs. Just a thought. The older Yamaha should have more torque with a bit more displacement and 3 cylinders. The less weight is what sets this motor apart.
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I'm really curious to see what Albitross finds.

Could it be a prop issue since you're at the heavier end of the 25hp applications? Would a lower pitch prop make a difference on your boat with the 25?

I'm still waiting for my tiller controls.

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That 25hp should do much better than 23mph imo. I still think the suzuki is the much more powerful motor and much cheaper. A 25hp should get that on plane with no issues. Alumacraft has the exact same boat with a 25hp 2 stroke that was doing high 20s in their performance bulletins but I can't find it anymore. They claim this motor has more grunt and wot speed than that engine then it should definitely get you mid 20s or better. Man,I wish I could find it. I would be very disappointed to with 23mph.
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Might be built into the CPU why it feels slow. I thought I remember my Etec ran like a dog until it had X number of hours on it and it stopped limiting the RPM's. Yamaha 25 4 strokes have ALWAYS been under powered. So hopefully it is just the Programming.

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I'm glad I went with the 20hp suzuki even know it will peak my interest on what a 25hp would do for my boat.

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I was talking to a guy on another forum and he estimated his boat to weigh approx. 800lbs and he's running the new F25 and says he's running in the upper 20s and lower 30s.
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gettinback wrote:I was talking to a guy on another forum and he estimated his boat to weigh approx. 800lbs and he's running the new F25 and says he's running in the upper 20s and lower 30s.
That's what I'm saying, something just isn't right ,he should be getting more than 23mph. 25-26mph is at least respectable.

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