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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bobberboy" data-source="post: 421779" data-attributes="member: 1417"><p>It's the lily stems that are the problem.  I have the same issue where I fish in MN.  The lily stems are like casting into brush.  I fish top water so the question of a leader isn't so critical but once hooked the fish heads for the bottom and into the lily stems and roots.  I use 20# braid and have lost many fish trying to horse them out of the lilies.  With a very much lighter weight leader than the rest of the line it seems you've gained nothing in the circumstances wasilvers is talking about.  The lighter leader becomes the weakest link in the chain.  From what he says, hooking them isn't the problem, it's getting them out of the lilies that's not working.  I'm not what you'd call a skilled fisherman - just my experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>