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Message: <blockquote data-quote=".Mike" data-source="post: 445927" data-attributes="member: 22637">Garmin prevailed: https://newsroom.garmin.com/press-release/featured-releases/garmin-prevails-navico-patent-disputeWhether or not they have changed the included transducer with their units will take some research. My guess is that the Striker Plus series is more likely to have the down-facing element.BTW, my research indicated that Humminbirds only store 8 hours of AutoChart Live data. If you want to store more, they make you buy a "zero line" card-- a blank freaking map-- for $100. If you want to manipulate/merge data, you'll need to spend either $199 or $299 for their AutoChart / AutoChart Pro software, which includes the stupid "zero line" card.Also BTW, Lowrance products w/ Insight mapping include the Insight Social mapping, where you scan a body of water, upload it, they process it, and add it to their social map, so you can add it back on to your card. The down side is that it shares your data, but you can pay $100/yr to keep it private. They also support Navionics SonarChart Live, which requires an active Navionics card.It seems like all of these companies have directed their R&D towards our bank accounts. Must be that new WalletScan™ technology!</blockquote>