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I'm constantly making the remark that, if I go chasing New River smallies this time of year, I just want one bite.

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That fish has a little larger mouth than a smallie. :LOL2:

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We don't have those fish out here so I know little about them, including how large they get. That looks like a heck of a catch and I would imagine the gear for small mouths is a little lighter than you would use for a musky. Thanks for sharing.
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It's still a damned slimer...even if it's a big one LOL
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If that is a "fail" day, I'd still be happy with it. I like muskies; and smallies; and LM Bass and....etc. etc. etc.

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How do you know for sure you didn't hook a smallie and this fish ate your smallie?

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KMixson wrote:How do you know for sure you didn't hook a smallie and this fish ate your smallie?
According to my friend that is the muskie biologist at the V.D.G.I.F. for our region, that doesn't happen....yeah, piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, Joe Williams. Samples have been collected with their stomachs pumped, and according to his P.R. spiel, only something like 3 smallies in 200 muskies were found. B.S.!!!!!


The V.D.G.I.F. introduced these slime rockets around '70 or '72, and below Claytor Lake, they are naturalized. Supposedly, the stocking program there hasn't been used in 6 or 7 years. Yeah, now we are over loaded with stunted muskies and trophy (20"+) smallmouth are rather scarce.
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Holy cow, if that is a stunted muskie you are going to need a bigger boat for a regular sized one. :shock:
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A few over the years.....


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I'm guessing the 12th 14th pic was a 50"er, never measured. Since about 2000, I'm guessing close to 100 or so. Maybe 6 over 45".
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Today turned out better, at least I found the correct species.
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It is official. This is the first TinBoat 2019 fishing report!! Keep them coming.
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New River Rat wrote:
KMixson wrote:How do you know for sure you didn't hook a smallie and this fish ate your smallie?
According to my friend that is the muskie biologist at the V.D.G.I.F. for our region, that doesn't happen....yeah, piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, Joe Williams. Samples have been collected with their stomachs pumped, and according to his P.R. spiel, only something like 3 smallies in 200 muskies were found. B.S.!!!!!


The V.D.G.I.F. introduced these slime rockets around '70 or '72, and below Claytor Lake, they are naturalized. Supposedly, the stocking program there hasn't been used in 6 or 7 years. Yeah, now we are over loaded with stunted muskies and trophy (20"+) smallmouth are rather scarce.
I tend to agree with your buddy. The Susquehanna, although an obviously different fishery, is home to both muskie and flathead catfish yet is still one of the premier smallmouth fisheries in the country. The same with the Potomac in regards to muskie and flathead. Although the Potomac was never, and will never be the smallmouth fishery the Susquehanna is, there has been an explosion of flathead in recent years with a still very healthy muskie population (state record of 49" caught just 2 years ago) and I haven't seen a decline in smallmouth fishing one bit. I think guys are also finding out the same in the lower Potomac in regards to the snakeheads.

Now, with all of that said I used to think the muskie and booming flathead populations were going to ruin my local waters for smallmouth. But with years of evidence (out fishing) I couldn't back that hypothesis up. Hopefully the future provides the same evidence.
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I'd be fishing for muskie if they were so prolific you can't catch a smallie over them. I love some smallies, but also really love some pike/muskie. If you hate them then keep your limit of them to eat, they're decent table fair.

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handyandy wrote:I'd be fishing for muskie if they were so prolific you can't catch a smallie over them. I love some smallies, but also really love some pike/muskie. If you hate them then keep your limit of them to eat, they're decent table fair.
Andy, to me that is akin to going to a restaurant, ordering a rare porterhouse and being served fried Spam. Ain't what I'm after.
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SPAM = SPecial All purpose Meat.
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