Daiwa steez

[Queencitybassman]

I think if you read it the seagur is not 100 percent floro.. I believe it's just coated or partially floro the berkley sells the 100.. I like how thin the berkley is .. Thanks for the advice though I may do that cause the berkley is pricey.. Seagur or berk?

 

[dyeguy1212]

I think if you read it the seagur is not 100 percent floro.. I believe it's just coated or partially floro the berkley sells the 100.. I like how thin the berkley is .. Thanks for the advice though I may do that cause the berkley is pricey.. Seagur or berk?

Berkley is overrated.. I've had more breaks with that than anything else.. I had great luck with seaguar on anything that i dont backlash.. like my spinnerbait set up. I have caught multiple 4 and 5 pounders and a 40 inch pike on it this year with no issues. However, on reels that I get a few backlashes on, mainly my finesse combo, I always had it break off mid spool. Never put me in a position to lose a fish because I couldnt cast far enough to get to the break, but it still drove me nuts.

 

[Troutman3000]

I think if you read it the seagur is not 100 percent floro.. I believe it's just coated or partially floro the berkley sells the 100.. I like how thin the berkley is .. Thanks for the advice though I may do that cause the berkley is pricey.. Seagur or berk?

Berkley is overrated.. I've had more breaks with that than anything else.. I had great luck with seaguar on anything that i dont backlash.. like my spinnerbait set up. I have caught multiple 4 and 5 pounders and a 40 inch pike on it this year with no issues. However, on reels that I get a few backlashes on, mainly my finesse combo, I always had it break off mid spool. Never put me in a position to lose a fish because I couldnt cast far enough to get to the break, but it still drove me nuts.

Never ever had it break on me mid spool. Even after severe backlashes. I even got it in the trolling motor reel bad once and its still on my real and catcing fish.

 

[nathanielrthomas]

Ive been using Trilene 100% Flourocarbon 15# since 2008. Im happy with it, but Ive never tried the seaguar red label stuff. Is it really that good? I think Im gonna give it a try. Is it softer than the trilene? Thanks guys

 

[Troutman3000]

Ive been using Trilene 100% Flourocarbon 15# since 2008. Im happy with it, but Ive never tried the seaguar red label stuff. Is it really that good? I think Im gonna give it a try. Is it softer than the trilene? Thanks guys

Try it, you will like it. Its not necessarily supersoft, but there is little memory and its more durable than any flouro that I have used. Its worth trying one time, it outlasts most of the other flouro products that I have used.

 

[russ010]

Seaguar Red Label is 100% Fluorocarbon. I've been using it exclusively (on everything) since 2008 - and the only time it has failed on me is when I get in a hurry and screw up the knots. I use the improved clinch knot - but I'm slowly transforming to the San Diego Jam knot.

You need to look at the diameter of the red label... 15# test is 0.330 - MUCH smaller than other lines, and that .330 is comparable in size to 12# Berkley 100% Fluoro and it's 10 times softer (not to mention $8 less). The abrasion resistance is better than any other brand I have tried.

I was a big supporter of Triple Fish fluorocarbon, but for a while there was a time when I was getting bad spools - usually 1 out of 3, so I had to find something new.

Now... if you want the most SUPERIOR line, you need to try Seaguar Tatsu fluorocarbon... I've spooled that up on my spinning reels in 6 & 8# test lines, and you can't break that stuff. The girl at the Seaguar booth at the Classic gave me a spool to try, and to demonstrate how effective it was she tore off about 24", wrapped it around her hands (like she was making a line to choke someone), then rubbed it back and forth about 20 times as fast and as hard as she could on the edge of the table... then she put it in front of my face and told me to feel the line..... end of story - there were NO nicks in the line. The only downside to this line is the price (I can get 15# for $30, but regular price is closer to $50). But I put that line on my reels in January, and it's still on there without any knicks or the little kinky loops you get from line being on reels to long.

Just try it man - for the price it's worth a shot... and it's 10 times stronger than that mono you are using.

If you want good mono, look at Triple Fish X-Rated line or McCoy Mean Green... those are the best (along with Trilene Big Game (which is the cheapest of all lines, and one of the strongest)

 

[Queencitybassman]

Hey Russ do you have any input on the special line they make just for the daiwa steez reels... the steez 100% floro?

 

[russ010]

nah... when I found something that never fails me, and I can get 2 reels spooled for less than $12, I quit playing around. If I had a Steez reel, I might would try it, but my guess is it's one of their other brands of line that has just been relabeled to get you to buy it.... very seriously doubt it's worth it.

I have tried the Lake Fork Parahelium, and that has got to be the most limp, softest line - but it was only good for 2 or 3 outings before it started to get the loopty loops in it so I quit using it.

One thing I do with my line (and I buy in bulk), is wrap them in Saran Wrap, put them in a plano watertight box and put them in my basement where it's cool. I've got line that is 2-3 years old that I still haven't used yet and it still comes out brand new. Heat is the biggest destroyer of line. Being in direct sunlight is not good - but it's no where near as damaging as just being in heat.

 

[russ010]

I just looked at the Steez line again... 12# is equivalent to the size of Red Label 15#... you couldn't sell me on that, especially for $20 a spool. If I'm going to spend that kind of money I'm going to buy the Seaguar InvisX - which is awesome line as well.

 

[Troutman3000]

nah... when I found something that never fails me, and I can get 2 reels spooled for less than $12, I quit playing around. If I had a Steez reel, I might would try it, but my guess is it's one of their other brands of line that has just been relabeled to get you to buy it.... very seriously doubt it's worth it.

I have tried the Lake Fork Parahelium, and that has got to be the most limp, softest line - but it was only good for 2 or 3 outings before it started to get the loopty loops in it so I quit using it.

One thing I do with my line (and I buy in bulk), is wrap them in Saran Wrap, put them in a plano watertight box and put them in my basement where it's cool. I've got line that is 2-3 years old that I still haven't used yet and it still comes out brand new. Heat is the biggest destroyer of line. Being in direct sunlight is not good - but it's no where near as damaging as just being in heat.

So keeping my poles in the hot garage is not a good idea for my lines viability?

 

[dyeguy1212]

I think if you read it the seagur is not 100 percent floro.. I believe it's just coated or partially floro the berkley sells the 100.. I like how thin the berkley is .. Thanks for the advice though I may do that cause the berkley is pricey.. Seagur or berk?

Berkley is overrated.. I've had more breaks with that than anything else.. I had great luck with seaguar on anything that i dont backlash.. like my spinnerbait set up. I have caught multiple 4 and 5 pounders and a 40 inch pike on it this year with no issues. However, on reels that I get a few backlashes on, mainly my finesse combo, I always had it break off mid spool. Never put me in a position to lose a fish because I couldnt cast far enough to get to the break, but it still drove me nuts.

Never ever had it break on me mid spool. Even after severe backlashes. I even got it in the trolling motor reel bad once and its still on my real and catcing fish.

If I look at my line the wrong way I prefer to respool it.. theres no was in hell you'd catch me fishing with line that got wrapped around a TM. I guess that's the difference between tournament fisherman and others :lol:

You should consider yourself lucky.. I've had it happen 4 or 5 times before I gave up on it. I like the way it performs on my spinnerbaits and cranks, but I go with berkley vanish for my finesse stuff. Not because its more clear or any of that crap, but just because it has very low memory, and is only 10 bucks a spool. So if I have to respool, I'm not out too much dough.

 

[russ010]

So keeping my poles in the hot garage is not a good idea for my lines viability?

My garage is not hot... guess because that's where my air handler is and it's always cool in there. But no, it's not good for it. If you've got a spare room you don't use in the house, it would be better... but if it's getting over 90* in your garage it's not going to kill it, but it's not going to make it last any longer either.

 

[Troutman3000]

If I look at my line the wrong way I prefer to respool it.. theres no was in hell you'd catch me fishing with line that got wrapped around a TM. I guess that's the difference between tournament fisherman and others :lol:

You should consider yourself lucky.. I've had it happen 4 or 5 times before I gave up on it. I like the way it performs on my spinnerbaits and cranks, but I go with berkley vanish for my finesse stuff. Not because its more clear or any of that crap, but just because it has very low memory, and is only 10 bucks a spool. So if I have to respool, I'm not out too much dough.

I cant find vanish for 10 a spool and its the worse line I have ever used.

I was very supirsed myself that it came off the trolling motor and it wasnt nicked or mauled. Im not throwing away 12 dollars of line I just spooled up. I guess thats a testimate to its toughness. I have caught several bass on it with no losses.

But I guess you tourney fisherman gotta pay the bills huh :LOL2:

 

[russ010]

But I guess you tourney fisherman gotta pay the bills huh :LOL2:

You know how much I fish.. and in tourneys too.... I change line maybe every 3-4 months, and I probably fish 20 days/nights a month. And the place I fish is nothing but a rock pile with tons of stumps

 

[nathanielrthomas]

But I guess you tourney fisherman gotta pay the bills huh :LOL2:

You know how much I fish.. and in tourneys too.... I change line maybe every 3-4 months, and I probably fish 20 days/nights a month. And the place I fish is nothing but a rock pile with tons of stumps

I feel ya russ, I change my line about every three or four months as well. I fish about 15 days a month. I use the KVD line conditioner and it really helps, especially on the reels I dont throw much that sit for weeks sometimes before I use them(like my crankbait rod). But I dont see any sense in changing out flourocarbon that often(I use trilene 100%). Itll last forever if ya take care of it, and I cant afford not to :LOL2:

 

[Queencitybassman]

Well you gave me good advice on the viento so I think I will respool it tonight with red label seagur I have a tournament tommorow and dont like to lose :twisted: I will most likely put 12lb test on because.. one that is usually my preference and two because its my lucky number... and three sold my jetski today for 400 more then i got it for.. that just means 200 to the wife and 200 for more fishing stuff!! wooh tight lines!

 

[russ010]

Well you gave me good advice on the viento so I think I will respool it tonight with red label seagur I have a tournament tommorow and dont like to lose :twisted: I will most likely put 12lb test on because.. one that is usually my preference and two because its my lucky number... and three sold my jetski today for 400 more then i got it for.. that just means 200 to the wife and 200 for more fishing stuff!! wooh tight lines!

good luck tomorrow man... where you fishing at?

I'm originally from Lancaster, SC (well... a little deeper in the woods than Lancaster), and I'll be heading that way tonight because I have military.

When you put that line on there, make sure you put your brakes down to around 6 or 7 then work your way up. I usually leave my brakes set on 4, 3.5 or 3 depending on the weight I'm throwing and if it's into the wind or not. That's the ONLY reel I have that I never backlash on since I got the right line on it. One other thing - always carry an extra spool of line... never know when you might have to respool while on the water. If you do have to respool, tie your line to your reel (go through your rod eyelets first) then chunk the spool over the boat into the water and start reeling.. it will keep it straight and you don't have to carry a pencil or have your partner hold it for you

As far as knots - a lot of buddies who use this line use a palomer knot, but I don't. I use an improved clinch knot, just be sure to wet it with spit before you cinch it down

 

[dyeguy1212]

I cant find vanish for 10 a spool and its the worse line I have ever used.

10.99... excuse me.


I've heard pretty mixed reviews on it, but I've had nothing but great luck with it. I boated 7 keepers and over 15 shorts in a 3 hour tournament yesterday morning and never retied (I didn't realize this until afterwards... I just got too caught up in the hot streak). If it continues to perform like that, I cant ever see switching.


I've had good luck with xps flouro as well. The break in period seems to be a little longer than most, but it holds up really well. I have spools of xps on from the spring and they are still in mint condition.

 

[dyeguy1212]

Im not throwing away 12 dollars of line I just spooled up.

I forgot to mention.. its not a bad idea to put a good amount of mono backing on before spooling up with flouro. I use that cajun line I got for free when they had the facebook promo a few months back. Not only does it save me money when I have to respool with flouro, but I find the enitre length of line sits better on the spool with backing. I never have more than 100 yards of flouro on a spool at a time... I just make sure the uni knot is buried deep in the spool so that I'll never reach it when casting (or if some behemoth of a fish took my drag way out :roll: ) Saves me a ton of money throughout the season.

 

[Queencitybassman]

No way russ thats cool I am right down the street from there in waxhaw.. unfortunately. Just moved here from raleigh after getting married and having a kid and its quite the change of scenery still getting used to fishing spots here. I am sure you have heard of some of the smaller spots like mt island and cane creek park. Small world.

I am actually jumping on as a co angler this weekend on albrights tin for a cncba tourney. It is actually two hours away but I was already heading up for a wedding. We are actually fishing a small lake there that I despise called Cammack Lake in burlington NC. Hoping for the best!

Oh yeah and I always bring extra line and extra reels pre spooled for back up. Lets just hope that I dont have to use them.. I am going to try that red label seagur 12lb tommorow morning on the steez and hopefully Ill have good things to report! Thanks for the advice!