Sorry to hear you got skunked Pitdog, but we didn't fair much better with crappies, on Lake Rabon yesterday. My daughter caught two nice crappies, we threw back. One guy coming out, when we were putting in, had seven really nice Largemouth's. He was as tight lipped as the crappies, about where, and on what. But judging from his poles in the boat, I'd say punkinseed lizards. The LMS probably went from 2.5 to 6 pounds. The water was very dingy to muddy. Scott