Country Dave’s Lowe 1752 modification/restoration project.

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Country Dave said:
Hey man that’s really cool. I’m still undecided on a chart plotter fish finder. I really like the hummingbird side imaging. Just not sure yet, I guess I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.

I researched these to death and when all was said and done, Lowrance is the better choice for saltwater and there SI/DI is different than HB. The Lowrance actually produces a clearer and sharper image from all of my reading and looking at lord knows how many photos.
 
Badbagger said:
Country Dave said:
Hey man that’s really cool. I’m still undecided on a chart plotter fish finder. I really like the hummingbird side imaging. Just not sure yet, I guess I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.

I researched these to death and when all was said and done, Lowrance is the better choice for saltwater and there SI/DI is different than HB. The Lowrance actually produces a clearer and sharper image from all of my reading and looking at lord knows how many photos.

Yeh man just not willing to part with 3K for a compo. My budget for a chart plotter/fish finder is right around the $1000 mark give or take a couple hundred.
 
I would never give up the 3kw for the side imaging....speaking of depths past 150'. I have a question for you side image guys......Have ya'll tried the side imaging in deep water? The images that I have seen in shallow water are awesome, but we tried the side-image on the latest bad ass simrad in 800fsw and it sucked....the 3kw out preformed hands down. I do like the way the newer lowrance units look though....the demos you see in the store are impressive.
 
Badbagger said:
They make various sizes - 7" would be close to your budget. Same capabilities, just smaller screen.

Ok since you did all the research on that, what’s the best one I can get without going over $1200? Hook me up brother. :LOL2:
 
An HDS 7 Gen 2 would hit you right around $900 in base form. You could then upgrade with structure scan down the road.

The humminbird 858c HD DI is in the same range but you can't go from DI to SI. the 898c HD SI will break your $1200 budget, but only by about $100.
 
Dave just to play devils advocate what would be the advantage of having side imaging on a flats boat? Most of our fishing is from sight or in water where you could see bottom. I could see having a bad ace gps but what would be benefits of the side imaging?
 
Lowe 2070 CC said:
An HDS 7 Gen 2 would hit you right around $900 in base form. You could then upgrade with structure scan down the road.

The humminbird 858c HD DI is in the same range but you can't go from DI to SI. the 898c HD SI will break your $1200 budget, but only by about $100.

Thanks Lowe 2072,

This is what I’ve heard about structure scan, Hummingbird Lowrance whatever. The bass and croppy guys love it and the saltwater guys, not so much. Again this is just what I’ve heard from a few of the saltwater guys. The clarity of the structure in saltwater or dirty water is know were like the pics you see on the commercials and the demo.
I do most of my fishing pretty skinny I’m mostly sight fishing but I’d love to have a good look down when I’m on the reefs and stuff.
 
Bass n flats said:
Dave just to play devils advocate what would be the advantage of having side imaging on a flats boat? Most of our fishing is from sight or in water where you could see bottom. I could see having a bad ace gps but what would be benefits of the side imaging?

Bass and flats I just saw you’re post and you’re right. 90% of my fishing is up shallow but I also love to snapper and grouper fish so sometimes I’m on the reef.
 
Country Dave said:
Bass n flats said:
Dave just to play devils advocate what would be the advantage of having side imaging on a flats boat? Most of our fishing is from sight or in water where you could see bottom. I could see having a bad ace gps but what would be benefits of the side imaging?

Bass and flats I just saw you’re post and you’re right. 90% of my fishing is up shallow but I also love to snapper and grouper fish so sometimes I’m on the reef.

That's kinda what I figured just wanted to see if I was missing a part of the equation.
 
Hey Dave, what is the exact model your looking at.....I will price it for ya.......I can ask my rep for the best deal possible.
 
bigwave said:
Hey Dave, what is the exact model your looking at.....I will price it for ya.......I can ask my rep for the best deal possible.


Bro I really appreciate that I’m just not sure yet. It’s going to be one of the last things I do. I will let you know. Thanks........ :D
 
I'll do some checking. I'd get the HDS 7 Gen2 Touch. The only thing you'd need to upgrade so side scan is a transducer which you can get down the road. Transducer is $249. The HB units don't hold up so well in SW. A fair amount of complaints on THT concerning corrosion etc in the HB connectors. In freshwater, great units. I'd still have gone Lowrance. I've stood by them both in WM and while it was a 1st generation Lowrance, the screen images were considerably better and quite noticeable.

SI is a GREAT tool used when used in the appropriate setting. Expecting SI to work in 800' of water is akin to using a sledge hammer to drive a finishing nail into that $500 cabinet door you are hanging in your kitchen. They'll work great when used in those depths up to about 150' deep give or take. 150' and under, they're the bomb and clearly show structure right down to 2' depths and you can figure on about 150' out from each side of the boat and yes, outstanding images in saltwater. If you don't mount the transducer correctly or have the wrong settings, it's going to look like crap. Using traditional sonar in say 6' of water is like pissing in the wind (unless that's your thing lol) and useless. You can mount the LSS-2 transducer (SI transducer) to your jackplate. In DEEP DEEP water say 800' give or take, using a 1kw thru hull transducer with CHIRP is the way to go on these and the Simrad units which are basically the same unit and both made by Navico.

In our application (fishing the flats) SI is an awesome tool from my research and I'm here to tell you, I'd NEVER spend that kind of cash without months of tireless research. A friend in South Africa is a beta tester for Navico and has tested these thoroughly as has another friend in Norway who has 3 of these and also the Simrad units on two of his boats and uses these in 1000' ft of water routinely. He's also a beta tester for Navico. I picked their brains over so much it isn't funny :mrgreen:

I'll see what I can do for prices on the HDS 7 Gen 2 Touch for ya.
 
Good info BB, I really have no clue when it comes to SI....I just know what I know from trial and error. On the boat we ride on we have a 3kw with chirp and it is the way to go in deep water........especially the new HD stuff. The tecnology is finally making it to the civilian market.......you should see what they have on subs.....talk about SI...........you could see the sea lice on the whales back at any depth........ :p
 
Thanks. Dave I checked with my source. I can get you an HDS 7 Gen 2 Touch WITH the Side Scan LSS-2 Transducer for $1609 shipped. Without it, $1400 and you can add the transducer later. This is WITH the 83/200 sonar transducer and mapping.
 
Dave since you have SOOO much free time :LOL2: :LOL2: :LOL2:

When you can, go to the site below and sign up and you'll learn a LOT of info on the Touch and Non-Touch Units. I spent hours and hours reading and asking questions. It's a Bass Boat Forum for FW and a lot of professionals there with a LOT of great info on these units.

https://www.bbcboards.net/lowrance-garmin-sonar-gps/
 
Quick update,

Well it’s not out of the norm for me to overthink things and these transom supports brackets were no exception. However the only real challenge was getting the angles right.

I removed the jack plate “It was never bolted in” so I could mount the inner peace of the aluminum plate and drill those holes using the existing holes I recently drilled in the transom as a guide. Next I’m going to mount the jack plate and bolt it down then, drill my through hull for the livewell pump. After that I will weld the for mentioned support brackets in place.
It looks like it would be really difficult to drill the through hull for the livewell pump correctly with the brackets in place.
 

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