Spark Plugs Getting Scarce

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I have been using NGK DR7EB plugs on the Honda. Last couple of cycles, they haven't been as readily available as before and the price is way up. This time, I received two of the three plugs ordered and was kindly advised "we have a problem". But no problem they said, because I could get a refund if I got tired of waiting. How nice of them.

I found a decent price at Summit Racing and ordered a half dozen. That will see me through the next couple maintenance cycles. The alternate plug Honda recommends is by Denso. I checked that out and found the same scarcity.

Don't have any question. Just sharing what seems to be a shortage of these particular plugs.
 
Had a similar issue with my Merc motor, the plug it needs was discontinued but a substitute plug was offered thru "Quicksilver" , Mercs own brand....I ordered the plugs, when the boxes showed up, they had the Quicksilver number on the box, but when I took the plugs out.....they were the " discontinued" NGK plugs.....ordered four more and these also came in Quicksilver boxes with the discontinued NGK plugs inside !! Who woulda thunk !!!
 
The problem I've been seeing lately isn't a lack of spark plugs but a lack of genuine spark plugs. The entire supply chain, including the dealer network has been infiltrated with Chinese fakes.

I've been bit twice now by fake Motorcraft plugs bought right through the dealer, who either has been buying cheap Chinese fakes or the whole sale supplier they've been using were doing so. I've seen the same with all brands.

A neighbor bought plugs for his Stihl chainsaws, (he's a tree trimmer). One of the plugs fell apart ruining an $800 saw. It turned out that the Bosch plug he bought several boxes of from reputable online source were counterfeits.

I use NGK BPR6ES plugs in my mower, I've had four bad new plugs so far this year. I avoided buying them from online for cheap because I couldn't see how someone could sell a plug that sells for $6 each at the dealer can be only $1.42 each online with free shipping.
The mower has always killed plugs, I would get a year, maybe a bit longer out of a new plug, but the new plugs I bought back in January from the big box store, were all bad, they wouldn't even start for some reason, despite having visible spark out of the motor.
Yet the $6 plug from the dealer runs fine.

The dealer, and several emails to both NGK and Honda both told me that they've had issues with counterfeit plugs. The dealer told me that he had to return four cases of plugs last fall that he got from Honda which were all fake, meaning that they have somehow infiltrated the OEM parts supply as well.

The double platinum plugs in my car cost $17 each at the dealer, the coils are $81 each. I can buy the set of 8 coils and 8 plugs with free shipping on Amazon or Fleabay for less than $30.

The problem goes even deeper into other items as well.

While this is sort of unrelated here, back during the pandemic, when basics like TP was hard to come by, having lived near the plant where it was made, I called someone who knew what was up to try and score a supply. I was told that they had shut down the plant and were producing no TP there until further notice. At the same time there were unlimited supplies of their brand on Amazon for cheap, shipped from China. Now, four years later, the brands' own website directs buyers to Amazon who only pushes the Chinese sources.

When I called and asked if they were making TP in China, I was told a firm no and they didn't know how that was happening because they don't ship product to China nor do they drop ship or sell any product cheap enough even at the wholesale level for anyone to be selling their brand at that price. But yet their own website directs people to a source of only that supposedly counterfeit product.

Out of curiosity, I ordered a pack of it, waited for two months before it arrived and what I got was not at all the same as what I buy in the stores here. When I called the manufacturer to find out why the link they have on their site sends people to a Chinese seller on Amazon who obviously is shipping counterfeit product, I got put on infinite hold that lasted until they closed. Further calls were ignored. I see the brand getting a ton of bad reviews on Amazon by people who also bought the cheap TP and got something that was completely useless.
Now I'm seeing the Chinese version of it in Walmart too for full price.

I think we have the same thing going on with spark plugs and other items. If the manufacturer wasn't somehow in on it, they'd likely flat out call out the counterfeit sources and take down the links to places selling them unless they all fear that if they admit there's so many counterfeit product out here it may crash their business completely.
 
The problem I've been seeing lately isn't a lack of spark plugs but a lack of genuine spark plugs. The entire supply chain, including the dealer network has been infiltrated with Chinese fakes.

I've been bit twice now by fake Motorcraft plugs bought right through the dealer, who either has been buying cheap Chinese fakes or the whole sale supplier they've been using were doing so. I've seen the same with all brands.

A neighbor bought plugs for his Stihl chainsaws, (he's a tree trimmer). One of the plugs fell apart ruining an $800 saw. It turned out that the Bosch plug he bought several boxes of from reputable online source were counterfeits.

I use NGK BPR6ES plugs in my mower, I've had four bad new plugs so far this year. I avoided buying them from online for cheap because I couldn't see how someone could sell a plug that sells for $6 each at the dealer can be only $1.42 each online with free shipping.
The mower has always killed plugs, I would get a year, maybe a bit longer out of a new plug, but the new plugs I bought back in January from the big box store, were all bad, they wouldn't even start for some reason, despite having visible spark out of the motor.
Yet the $6 plug from the dealer runs fine.

The dealer, and several emails to both NGK and Honda both told me that they've had issues with counterfeit plugs. The dealer told me that he had to return four cases of plugs last fall that he got from Honda which were all fake, meaning that they have somehow infiltrated the OEM parts supply as well.

The double platinum plugs in my car cost $17 each at the dealer, the coils are $81 each. I can buy the set of 8 coils and 8 plugs with free shipping on Amazon or Fleabay for less than $30.

The problem goes even deeper into other items as well.

While this is sort of unrelated here, back during the pandemic, when basics like TP was hard to come by, having lived near the plant where it was made, I called someone who knew what was up to try and score a supply. I was told that they had shut down the plant and were producing no TP there until further notice. At the same time there were unlimited supplies of their brand on Amazon for cheap, shipped from China. Now, four years later, the brands' own website directs buyers to Amazon who only pushes the Chinese sources.

When I called and asked if they were making TP in China, I was told a firm no and they didn't know how that was happening because they don't ship product to China nor do they drop ship or sell any product cheap enough even at the wholesale level for anyone to be selling their brand at that price. But yet their own website directs people to a source of only that supposedly counterfeit product.

Out of curiosity, I ordered a pack of it, waited for two months before it arrived and what I got was not at all the same as what I buy in the stores here. When I called the manufacturer to find out why the link they have on their site sends people to a Chinese seller on Amazon who obviously is shipping counterfeit product, I got put on infinite hold that lasted until they closed. Further calls were ignored. I see the brand getting a ton of bad reviews on Amazon by people who also bought the cheap TP and got something that was completely useless.
Now I'm seeing the Chinese version of it in Walmart too for full price.

I think we have the same thing going on with spark plugs and other items. If the manufacturer wasn't somehow in on it, they'd likely flat out call out the counterfeit sources and take down the links to places selling them unless they all fear that if they admit there's so many counterfeit product out here it may crash their business completely.

I got burnt by some fake Denso plugs on Amazon, but that was back in 2018. Figured it was just an Amazon problem, they've been known to do that for a long time. Crazy that it's not just limited to them now.
 
Interesting. My old Evinrude 115 has a misfire that has been hard to track down. The plugs were hard to find for a while, then I found some on line. Makes me wonder if I can trust the plugs.
 
Interesting. My old Evinrude 115 has a misfire that has been hard to track down. The plugs were hard to find for a while, then I found some on line. Makes me wonder if I can trust the plugs.
Did they come from Amazon? I got some fake oil filters from Amazon once and stopped using them for car/boat parts after that
 
Most spark plug manufacturers have set a minimum retail price to protect their dealers. I'd suspect any spark plug that was significantly cheaper than the others.
Amazon is a real problem for a lot of things, nearly everything they sell there lately is suspect. Just look at some of the brand names, the sellers don't even try to sound legit.

I was talking a Motorcraft/AC Delco rep a few months ago and he said that they've had issues with Chinese counterfeits even in the OEM supply chains. Whether its dealers buying from suspect cheaper sources for added profits or somewhere along the line between manufacture and delivery to the wholesalers the junk from China is getting mixed in.

I suspect its simpler than that and that the legit brands are having some or all of their plugs made in China, and the manufacturers there are likely either cheating on quality or buying the counterfeits in lieu of spending on labor themselves. Apparently China has no copy right laws or doesn't respect those of the brands from other countries.

If you want a really good example of how messed up things are dealing with Chinese imports and quality issues... A buddy of mine deals in industrial surplus on a large scale.
A number of years ago I was going with him to an auction in NY. What had happened was that a freighter from China, (Owned by a company out of Singapore), had its contents refused by customs. They were not allowed to off load. The contents of the ship was paint stored in 2500 liter containers. The paint was rejected entry due to it lacking the proper VOC rating for paint to be sold in the USA.
The solution to this is to 'dispose' of the freight so they can acquire a new load for the return trip home to Asia.

The way they dispose of the load is to auction it off as salvage freight. Where as my buddy buys it, off loads the ship in NY, then has the paint packaged in retail packages with the proper labeling for resale. He got the contents of the ship for near nothing, what ever the minimum bid was. They do the same thing with counterfeit items, they can't be offloaded at the port of entry but then the ship gets towed by tug to an auction dock up river and the contents basically get dumped for near nothing as a way to clear the ship for a profitable return trip. I've seen bicycles, electronics, chemicals, clothes, you name it get handled the same way. Its not accepted through customs or rejected for some deficiency in the paperwork or tracking so it goes to auction and ends up in the supply chain anyhow.
Sometimes the products are perfectly fine but just lacking proper documentation, other times they're blatant fakes. I suspect there's plenty of spark plugs coming in this way as well.

Myself, having dealt with Chinese manufactures a bit directly I can say that nearly none can be trusted. They have zero incentive for repeat customers, they care very little about producing a decent product because they realize there's no security in making anything original because everything gets copied and there seems to be zero patent law in China.
They will cut corners, lie, and short change every last order then offer a discount if you catch them in the form of a refund that will never come.
We will continue to have these issues and a lack of trustworthy parts until we either bring manufacturing back to the USA or Canada or we find a better source than China

The latest gimmick they're pulling is for Chinese companies setting up shell companies in other more trusted locations to sell their Chinese counterfeit and junk products. There's been a good many also setting up shop here as so called manufacturers that are no more than Chinese distributors selling Chinese made junk at American made prices. They operate for a few months, maybe even a few years then move and change their name so they have no warranty issues or ties to the old branding they sold that's usually proven to be just junk.
Auto parts were part of this deal, with a massive number of belts and hoses branded with trusted American brands. I was at a warehouse about a year ago that was dumping pallets of fake belts that they had been sold by one of these types of companies.
 
I was told by an auto parts wholesale company that they haven't been buying batteries, spark plugs, oil filters or belts in any quantity because they never know if the shipment will be legit or full of counterfeit items. they've been burned even by their regular sources.

A friend of mine works in the warranty and return department for a major HVAC company, he said that they've had numerous counterfeit units returned under warranty lately, furnaces, water heaters, etc, all fakes sold as their brand and such good fakes that their retailers didn't notice they weren't the real deal.

I had a tool dealer sell me new AC hoses for my gauge set. The one blew apart the first time I used it and the other showed dry rot cracks after less than a year. When I complained they sent me another set of the same junk hoses telling me that they're probably counterfeits, 'we've had some issues getting the real deal lately'. I ordered from four different sources and got nothing but Chinese junk. The worst junk were the most expensive set that made a big deal about selling only genuine parts.
I cut open several Motorcraft oil filters that came from an online seller after one failed and likely ruined an engine. When I cut it open the paper filter had Chinese writing on it as if it were recycled cereal boxes or advertising sheets. The supposed 'silicone valve was fake, just a bit of pink colored cardboard set in place to resemble the real deal. Externally they were identical but strangely heavier than the real deal from Ford from about 10 years prior.

I'd venture to guess that nearly every part sold on Amazon is fake, regardless of coast because the counterfeit sellers have learned that they can also sell products if hey claim to be selling only original parts and then sell them for a higher price to convince any suspicious buyers.
 
Very sad to hear about all these fake sparkplugs. I stocked up on them quite some time ago, but my stock is getting low for the Merc 25. I'll need some for the new engines in the near future, as well.

This has been a problem in electonic parts for many years. But, there are good suppliers out there that you can avoid them. ie the ones that can provide certificates of origin. It is the out of production parts, with no replacement, those become targets for the "fake" criminals.
 
Never had an issue with Summit, very reputable and informative in my eyes, so far !
I don't think you'll have any issues with parts from summit and they ship fast!

Thanks. That has been my experience with Summit too.

I'm disappointed not one caught my Chinese TP being rough on capitalists joke. I thought it was pretty good. But then I usually laugh at my own jokes. :)
 
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Very sad to hear about all these fake sparkplugs. I stocked up on them quite some time ago, but my stock is getting low for the Merc 25. I'll need some for the new engines in the near future, as well.

This has been a problem in electonic parts for many years. But, there are good suppliers out there that you can avoid them. ie the ones that can provide certificates of origin. It is the out of production parts, with no replacement, those become targets for the "fake" criminals.

Maybe we should start a trusted supplier feedback thread and talk about red flags.

For example, Honda Marine will only wholesale to authorized dealers and they won't do drop shipments. If some outfit isn't an authorized dealer, then it seems there would be an exposure for knock-off parts.

I find PartsPak always seems to have an inventory of Honda parts I need. They seem legit but I initially wondered if they were a drop shipper. I found that they are an authorized Honda dealer and deal directly with Honda's warehouse.
 
I may have to stock up on some made in USA:
Champion spark plugs for my new Mercury 60hp
Timken bearings/races for my travel and boat trailers and National Seals.

According to Amazon and reviews, the bearings/seals are still made in USA. I did purchase seals last year when I did a repack on TT, and they were made in USA.
 

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