Lithium battery - worth the expense?

[thill]

I just wish they made lithium starter batteries at a price similar to the DC batteries. I would switch everything over TODAY.

I made a warranty request, LithiumHub emailed me a shipping label, and I had a fresh battery back at my house within a week. My claim was for "self discharge". They must have seen it before because I wasn't even asked any questions and it was just simply taken care of quickly. I would ask - do you believe you can do that with your cheap Amazon batteries?
I have recommended LithiumHub to a friend for his kayak.

Actually, with TimeUSB, the answer is YES. They are awesome in the customer service department. That's the reason I am recommending them so much. Lithium Hub sounds awesome too.

Even so, I have seen where some sellers on Amazon are not good after the sale. I steered far away from those sellers. READ THE REVIEWS BEFORE BUYING ANY BATTERY.



Also... Come on, guys! Don't let this discussion get too personal.

 

[LDUBS]

I apologize for a slightly off topic question (again).

I note that TimeUSB sells Group 24 100Ah and Group 31 100Ah. Since they both have the same amp-hour rating, why would someone want the group 31 over the group 24?

 

[Still Afloat]

I apologize for a slightly off topic question (again).

I note that TimeUSB sells Group 24 100Ah and Group 31 100Ah. Since they both have the same amp-hour rating, why would someone want the group 31 over the group 24?

Perhaps for fitment reasons?

 

[MDCrappie]

I apologize for a slightly off topic question (again).

I note that TimeUSB sells Group 24 100Ah and Group 31 100Ah. Since they both have the same amp-hour rating, why would someone want the group 31 over the group 24?

Pretty sure it's a progression thing with the manufacturing. Started out fitting into the 31 case and now able to compact things and get them onto the 24 case to save space. As SA says, if you have group 31 trays in your boat a 31 case will fit much better then a 24 case. For a new install, as opposed to replacement, most will likely go with the 24.

 

[user 26281]

BLUF: So for me, can't answer the original question until all lithium batteries achieve better recycling process.

Lifepo4 batteries have many good qualities as discussed in this thread.

Lead acid batteries are almost 100% recycleable, not sure about lithium.

I know it is quite a process to turn in a damaged lithium.

 

[Still Afloat]

BLUF: So for me, can't answer the original question until all lithium batteries achieve better recycling process.

Lifepo4 batteries have many good qualities as discussed in this thread.

Lead acid batteries are almost 100% recycleable, not sure about lithium.

I know it is quite a process to turn in a damaged lithium.

Actually, there are several Lithium recycling plants in the works right now. They are primarily geared to support the auto industry. They need to recycle the lithium from the electric cars that run on coal generated electricity.

 

[Zum]

Just got back from 2 days of fishing...off grid.
Trolling for trout(approx.5 hours)and charging ipad and phones at night(usb)
I bought a cheap DC House brand Amazon battery 12v 100aH.
So far so good, just put it on the charger, said 13.5v around 50%...cheap chinese charger but again working great so far.
Like someone said, I doubt the company I bought mine from will be around in a year or two for warranty issues(if any)....time will tell, it wasnt much more than a good brand lead acid.
I found my TM seemed faster, maybe it was just the wind...didnt have to increase the throttle throughout the day.
Im happy so far, think it only weighs 21lbs. I made alittle power box for it, usb and battery terminals.

 

[Still Afloat]

You know, if you’re in the boonies and need to extend the charge on your batteries the fold up solar panels actually do help a bit. I’ve used them to keep the house battery topped off. Think it’s a 30 watt panel so in full sun it’s throwing a couple of amps back on the battery.

I originally picked the panel up for week long river trips to keep camp lights, mobile devices and emergency beacons topped off. The cellphones are out of range most of the time (which is great) but, Oregon does the fishing license and tagging on mobile phone app.

 

[FuzzyGrub]

FWIW: Started the 3rd season on the 20aH Li battery that I use for the depth finder. On a recent three day fishing trip, forgot to recharge it after the 2nd day. It went about 3/4 of the day before the BMS shut it down. The finder draws 0.9A/hour, so still have the full capacity.

 

[thill]

Here is an interesting update...

Took the kids fishing for the first time in months. Got out there, ran downlake, found some fish. Went to move and the starter turned slower and slower. Oh no... Lead acid starting battery died. Had no jumper cables, and decided to see what the TimeUSB battery would do...

It started the motor (1995 Johnson 70) right up! We were very happy.

Didn't think it would put out that much power, but it did.

 

[flatheadsteve]

Here is an interesting update...

Took the kids fishing for the first time in months. Got out there, ran downlake, found some fish. Went to move and the starter turned slower and slower. Oh no... Lead acid starting battery died. Had no jumper cables, and decided to see what the TimeUSB battery would do...

It started the motor (1995 Johnson 70) right up! We were very happy.

Didn't think it would put out that much power, but it did.

What size timeusb battery?

 

[airshot]

When my AGM batteries give up, I will move to the Lifepo4 batteries in my boat. Not for the start battery, not even sure about the house battery, but for the trolling motor, for sure !! House battery has never run out if power running accessories, even after a full day. But even though I get almost a full day from trollung batteries, I think I can go to only one battery and save almost a 100 lbs.

 

[airshot]

Here is an interesting update...

Took the kids fishing for the first time in months. Got out there, ran downlake, found some fish. Went to move and the starter turned slower and slower. Oh no... Lead acid starting battery died. Had no jumper cables, and decided to see what the TimeUSB battery would do...

It started the motor (1995 Johnson 70) right up! We were very happy.

Didn't think it would put out that much power, but it did.

Yes they will do the job in an emergency. I have been told they don't like heavy draws like that on a regular basis. They are getting closer as some are designed for starting now. Your 70 doesn't really have that big a draw. Now if you had a big block that was having a hard time starting....different story !!

 

[thill]

What size timeusb battery?

100AH TimeUSB battery.

The motor was already warmed up, too, which helped, I'm sure

 

[FuzzyGrub]

With the newly announced 50% tariff on Li batteries, I went ahead and ordered two of the TimeUSB 100ah Pro batteries. $414 - $25 (Pro6 Discount Code) direct from TimeUSB. Free shipping. Thx Thill for your recommendations.

 

[Stand Up]

With the newly announced 50% tariff on Li batteries, I went ahead and ordered two of the TimeUSB 100ah Pro batteries. $414 - $25 (Pro6 Discount Code) direct from TimeUSB. Free shipping. Thx Thill for your recommendations.

Do they not make a comparable battery in the USA? Wouldn't the tariff be put in place to get folks to buy USA made batteries? I'm ignorant to the tariff's reasoning.
Our wonderful government here in Canuck land has handed out billions of dollars to a couple of battery manufacturing outfits from China and Japan to make them on our soil. However, it will be years before the first battery rolls off the line.

 

[FuzzyGrub]

Do they not make a comparable battery in the USA? Wouldn't the tariff be put in place to get folks to buy USA made batteries? I'm ignorant to the tariff's reasoning.
Our wonderful government here in Canuck land has handed out billions of dollars to a couple of battery manufacturing outfits from China and Japan to make them on our soil. However, it will be years before the first battery rolls off the line.

I'm not sure which LiFePO4 mfgs are in the USA, if any.

I do plan to test each battery with a full discharge test to verify the Ah is within the ballpark. I did this with my FF battery. The first brand failed, second was fine.

 

[CRS]

https://usamadeproducts.biz/electronics-batteries-lithium-ion-batteries.html

 

[FuzzyGrub]

https://usamadeproducts.biz/electronics-batteries-lithium-ion-batteries.html

At nearly $1000, I’d be staying with LA batteries.

 

[FuzzyGrub]

From FedEx tracking, the batteries will be at my house today! I won’t see them until Monday. I’ll start a separate thread on testing them.